1 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:28,080 [Music] 2 00:00:44,439 --> 00:00:41,780 explore the bazaars are your e-ticket 3 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:44,449 ride into the world of the paranoid 4 00:00:52,030 --> 00:00:47,730 strap yourself in as we traverse the 5 00:00:57,170 --> 00:00:52,040 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 6 00:01:00,890 --> 00:00:57,180 ghosts lost world cryptozoology as well 7 00:01:05,119 --> 00:01:00,900 as other dimensions it's time to take 8 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:05,129 back the night last night now your 9 00:01:15,670 --> 00:01:07,290 electrifying hosts of exploring the 10 00:01:21,770 --> 00:01:18,650 well why don't you tell us Tim who we 11 00:01:26,740 --> 00:01:21,780 have tonight Wow with pleasure our guest 12 00:01:30,469 --> 00:01:26,750 tonight is a Roberts neck and Robert is 13 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:30,479 a catch I mean he is he has written all 14 00:01:38,660 --> 00:01:33,090 kinds of fantastic books presidents 15 00:01:42,710 --> 00:01:38,670 vampire I I think you're is your latest 16 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:42,720 one Robert the bye-bye man no the latest 17 00:01:47,899 --> 00:01:44,850 book is mrs. Wakeman versus the 18 00:01:49,969 --> 00:01:47,909 Antichrist okay okay I was acting a 19 00:01:53,660 --> 00:01:49,979 little earlier the president's vampire 20 00:01:56,270 --> 00:01:53,670 is being re-released as the bye-bye man 21 00:01:58,550 --> 00:01:56,280 because of one of the stories is being 22 00:02:02,090 --> 00:01:58,560 made into a mu is being is coming out as 23 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:02,100 a movie this year well then oh it's 24 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:06,090 coming out last weekend it was like what 25 00:02:10,699 --> 00:02:07,890 dimension films or something which is a 26 00:02:12,470 --> 00:02:10,709 i'll be on really large i'll be honest 27 00:02:18,350 --> 00:02:12,480 with you i can't figure out who exactly 28 00:02:21,860 --> 00:02:18,360 made the movie uh if there's st x and y 29 00:02:24,140 --> 00:02:21,870 en and a bunch of other people i know 30 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:24,150 who's in the movie but i can't tell you 31 00:02:29,539 --> 00:02:26,250 exactly what company is responsible for 32 00:02:32,449 --> 00:02:29,549 it and any big names in the Malloy well 33 00:02:36,979 --> 00:02:32,459 yeah Doug Jones is the is playing the 34 00:02:44,990 --> 00:02:36,989 bye-bye man he's famous for playing the 35 00:02:48,100 --> 00:02:45,000 pale man in pans labyrinth and the the 36 00:02:50,950 --> 00:02:48,110 gentleman in Buffy in the Vampire Slayer 37 00:02:53,230 --> 00:02:50,960 and I 38 00:02:55,740 --> 00:02:53,240 probably one of his best-known roles as 39 00:02:59,260 --> 00:02:55,750 one of his earliest where he played that 40 00:03:02,080 --> 00:02:59,270 crescent headed piano player on the 41 00:03:04,030 --> 00:03:02,090 McDonalds commercials oh my gosh yeah 42 00:03:07,780 --> 00:03:04,040 that's that that's what got him started 43 00:03:09,970 --> 00:03:07,790 uh so he's actually playing the bye-bye 44 00:03:11,700 --> 00:03:09,980 man but the movies got some well-known 45 00:03:18,940 --> 00:03:11,710 people in it including Faye Dunaway 46 00:03:20,980 --> 00:03:18,950 sorry yeah I was surprised so it's right 47 00:03:23,950 --> 00:03:20,990 now they keep moving around the release 48 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:23,960 date so I think at the moment it's 49 00:03:30,700 --> 00:03:27,770 coming out in December I I knew I knew 50 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:30,710 foul things like I I I knew Faye 51 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:35,810 Dunaway's ex-husband peter wolf while 52 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:40,130 Peter wood from the Jay geils Band Wow I 53 00:03:44,050 --> 00:03:41,690 have not seen I don't know if they're 54 00:03:45,910 --> 00:03:44,060 still out there performing but they were 55 00:03:48,610 --> 00:03:45,920 one of my favorite two groups and I had 56 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:48,620 met him a couple of times back stage we 57 00:03:53,460 --> 00:03:50,930 talked about 14 phenomena a friend of 58 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:53,470 mine had gone to a concert and taken a a 59 00:03:59,620 --> 00:03:57,170 photograph of the of the band and behind 60 00:04:01,870 --> 00:03:59,630 peter wolf was i know some kind of 61 00:04:03,340 --> 00:04:01,880 apparition or something so we tried to 62 00:04:06,070 --> 00:04:03,350 convince him that it was some ghostly 63 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:06,080 phenomena and i'm not sure he whether he 64 00:04:10,180 --> 00:04:07,970 actually believed it or not but we we 65 00:04:12,370 --> 00:04:10,190 could sit and talk about this and Frank 66 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:12,380 Edwards that's what got me started it 67 00:04:18,940 --> 00:04:16,010 was a it was a battered and dog-eared 68 00:04:20,530 --> 00:04:18,950 edition of stranger than science that my 69 00:04:22,630 --> 00:04:20,540 mother left on her night table I think 70 00:04:24,820 --> 00:04:22,640 someone gave it to her I remember it 71 00:04:27,970 --> 00:04:24,830 very well because the cover was held on 72 00:04:31,690 --> 00:04:27,980 with a piece of a silver masking tape 73 00:04:36,130 --> 00:04:31,700 electric duct tape rather and I devoured 74 00:04:38,950 --> 00:04:36,140 the book and it's the reason it more or 75 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:38,960 less put me on this path uh if Frank 76 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:42,170 Edwards was much more easy to read than 77 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:45,650 40 when I yes no yes when I finally got 78 00:04:54,370 --> 00:04:48,770 to Fort I was shocked how difficult how 79 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:54,380 um how vague or incomprehensible he 80 00:04:58,300 --> 00:04:56,090 could sometimes be and I know he was 81 00:05:00,580 --> 00:04:58,310 doing it deliberately and that he had a 82 00:05:02,740 --> 00:05:00,590 very odd sense of humor that came out in 83 00:05:04,750 --> 00:05:02,750 his right Angus yes but but at the time 84 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:04,760 it just went right over my 85 00:05:10,990 --> 00:05:07,010 head because i went from Frank Edwards 86 00:05:13,300 --> 00:05:11,000 to people like Ivan Sanderson oh yes and 87 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:13,310 Bernard heuvelmans people like that who 88 00:05:18,730 --> 00:05:16,130 were much easier to understand and of 89 00:05:20,350 --> 00:05:18,740 course John keel I still remember I 90 00:05:22,530 --> 00:05:20,360 still remember the copy of the mothman 91 00:05:25,810 --> 00:05:22,540 prophecies that was in my public library 92 00:05:29,860 --> 00:05:25,820 that was back when the in the library 93 00:05:33,010 --> 00:05:29,870 when the section 001 consisted of one 94 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:33,020 book on flying saucers 11 copy of the 95 00:05:42,010 --> 00:05:36,050 mothman prophecies and and a book called 96 00:05:43,780 --> 00:05:42,020 the coming age of the computer I think 97 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:43,790 you've I think you went to buy a local 98 00:05:51,780 --> 00:05:48,410 library I was a kid that sounds exactly 99 00:05:54,820 --> 00:05:51,790 like it I you know I have that been to a 100 00:05:58,870 --> 00:05:54,830 library in a long time I wonder I wonder 101 00:06:02,890 --> 00:05:58,880 if those old books are still there and 102 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:02,900 if they have been replaced by anything 103 00:06:06,910 --> 00:06:04,970 you know what would be the the big 104 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:06,920 titles now that you could get it go into 105 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:09,650 a library and well now now a few years 106 00:06:16,540 --> 00:06:12,410 ago they were a lot of the abductee 107 00:06:19,150 --> 00:06:16,550 books oh quit least reaper of course and 108 00:06:21,370 --> 00:06:19,160 you'll still find a few abductee books 109 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:21,380 but now I've noticed that there seemed 110 00:06:29,140 --> 00:06:26,570 to be more books on things like alien 111 00:06:32,710 --> 00:06:29,150 abduction pro and con more books by 112 00:06:38,620 --> 00:06:32,720 skeptics yeah you'll still find books on 113 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:38,630 ghosts witchcraft dreams it right before 114 00:06:43,270 --> 00:06:40,970 the psychology section there's a chapter 115 00:06:45,780 --> 00:06:43,280 in president's vampire about a mass 116 00:06:49,270 --> 00:06:45,790 disappearance in newark new jersey in 117 00:06:52,150 --> 00:06:49,280 1978 that's a way yeah it happened in 118 00:06:55,060 --> 00:06:52,160 1978 and that's that's a very urban area 119 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:55,070 oh yeah there were a group of young men 120 00:07:00,940 --> 00:06:57,890 who had been hired to move boxes for the 121 00:07:03,130 --> 00:07:00,950 day and they were dropped off at a 122 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:03,140 street corner in a on a summer afternoon 123 00:07:08,350 --> 00:07:06,410 a summer evening rather they broke up I 124 00:07:11,110 --> 00:07:08,360 think I think there were seven of them 125 00:07:13,870 --> 00:07:11,120 total they were all about they were all 126 00:07:15,490 --> 00:07:13,880 around 17 years old one group went one 127 00:07:17,650 --> 00:07:15,500 way the other group went the other way I 128 00:07:18,490 --> 00:07:17,660 think maybe there was three in one group 129 00:07:20,710 --> 00:07:18,500 and four in the 130 00:07:24,580 --> 00:07:20,720 other and vanished they've never been 131 00:07:27,030 --> 00:07:24,590 seen again they were erased their the 132 00:07:29,650 --> 00:07:27,040 police in Newark have been looking for 133 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:29,660 decades trying to figure out what 134 00:07:36,220 --> 00:07:33,650 happened to them and they have they 135 00:07:38,890 --> 00:07:36,230 there was the man who hired them to move 136 00:07:45,550 --> 00:07:38,900 the boxes that day was the main suspect 137 00:07:49,090 --> 00:07:45,560 he was um he was interviewed many times 138 00:07:52,330 --> 00:07:49,100 then he was released many times finally 139 00:07:55,150 --> 00:07:52,340 he was tried about two years ago and the 140 00:08:00,340 --> 00:07:55,160 evidence against him was very thin so 141 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:00,350 the he was released and that was it the 142 00:08:06,550 --> 00:08:04,010 it just has remained utterly mysterious 143 00:08:10,450 --> 00:08:06,560 well I would say it's kind of it's kind 144 00:08:13,780 --> 00:08:10,460 of hard to get rid of seven bodies maybe 145 00:08:16,810 --> 00:08:13,790 one maybe one or two yeah you know you 146 00:08:19,810 --> 00:08:16,820 could put it at Runkle well people don't 147 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:19,820 realize how difficult it is I know it 148 00:08:26,170 --> 00:08:21,410 happen all weekend a couple of times 149 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:26,180 doing as much as creep a mr. creep of my 150 00:08:32,110 --> 00:08:29,330 heart movie well there's not a yes for 151 00:08:34,060 --> 00:08:32,120 exact one of the one of the most 152 00:08:35,740 --> 00:08:34,070 efficient well people think if you're 153 00:08:39,250 --> 00:08:35,750 going to get rid of a body you burn it 154 00:08:43,149 --> 00:08:39,260 but keep in mind a human body is a great 155 00:08:46,690 --> 00:08:43,159 big bag of water try burning it it's not 156 00:08:49,030 --> 00:08:46,700 easy the the limbs might curl up and 157 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:49,040 it'll look awful but it won't even touch 158 00:08:57,180 --> 00:08:51,170 the internal organs because they're all 159 00:09:00,430 --> 00:08:57,190 water so uh the this has just gone on as 160 00:09:04,930 --> 00:09:00,440 one of the one of the local mysteries 161 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:04,940 the police have checked every time there 162 00:09:11,079 --> 00:09:09,050 was a mass death for example of 163 00:09:13,780 --> 00:09:11,089 Jonestown they check to see if they were 164 00:09:16,300 --> 00:09:13,790 among the men who died at Jonestown a 165 00:09:19,150 --> 00:09:16,310 check to see if they were among Jeffrey 166 00:09:20,380 --> 00:09:19,160 Dahmer's victims they looked for years 167 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:20,390 and years they've even called in 168 00:09:25,630 --> 00:09:22,930 psychics in fact one of the 169 00:09:28,390 --> 00:09:25,640 investigations was done on the 170 00:09:32,140 --> 00:09:28,400 recommendation of a psychic so they 171 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:32,150 never let it go but the story just 172 00:09:39,190 --> 00:09:35,930 it's very little known and remains 173 00:09:42,850 --> 00:09:39,200 completely unsolved you know it's it 174 00:09:46,270 --> 00:09:42,860 reminds me somewhat of the the the 175 00:09:48,220 --> 00:09:46,280 smiley face murders I mean not you know 176 00:09:50,380 --> 00:09:48,230 the smiley face murderers don't don't 177 00:09:54,310 --> 00:09:50,390 happen you know in in mass it's just 178 00:09:56,620 --> 00:09:54,320 like one young man at a time but you 179 00:09:58,200 --> 00:09:56,630 know you've been seeing these cases all 180 00:10:00,910 --> 00:09:58,210 across the country you know where 181 00:10:03,850 --> 00:10:00,920 generally it's it's it's a guy I say 182 00:10:06,370 --> 00:10:03,860 like at a bar with friends he'll step 183 00:10:10,300 --> 00:10:06,380 outside for a smoke and then just 184 00:10:12,580 --> 00:10:10,310 disappear and then they'll find him days 185 00:10:16,810 --> 00:10:12,590 weeks months later floating in a nearby 186 00:10:18,430 --> 00:10:16,820 river and I'm go ahead know how it works 187 00:10:22,380 --> 00:10:18,440 I'm always interested in the mass 188 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:22,390 disappearances because they are just so 189 00:10:29,500 --> 00:10:27,170 incomprehensible which is why I I love 190 00:10:31,930 --> 00:10:29,510 when they find a car under a bridge 191 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:31,940 that's been there for 30 years in the 192 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:34,610 water and they'll drag it out and 193 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:35,930 they'll find a few bones and they'll 194 00:10:39,670 --> 00:10:38,210 realize oh these five teenagers that 195 00:10:41,830 --> 00:10:39,680 disappeared back in nineteen seventy 196 00:10:44,020 --> 00:10:41,840 this is what happened to them here they 197 00:10:46,660 --> 00:10:44,030 drove them they drove on the bridge and 198 00:10:49,300 --> 00:10:46,670 the this the river never went low enough 199 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:49,310 for the bridge to be exposed and here it 200 00:10:53,410 --> 00:10:51,170 is that's happened a few times in the 201 00:10:56,950 --> 00:10:53,420 last few years that they found these 202 00:10:59,680 --> 00:10:56,960 cars you know Tim we've talked about a 203 00:11:01,990 --> 00:10:59,690 case on the air here where I think it 204 00:11:04,180 --> 00:11:02,000 was it was it Christmas Eve where these 205 00:11:06,250 --> 00:11:04,190 a fireball or the house was set on fire 206 00:11:08,620 --> 00:11:06,260 and fire balls landed on the roof of the 207 00:11:11,850 --> 00:11:08,630 house and what was that seven or eight 208 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:11,860 children disappeared right yeah it was 209 00:11:17,380 --> 00:11:15,530 in Tennessee he's a West Regional i 210 00:11:22,210 --> 00:11:17,390 think was virginia was it west virginia 211 00:11:23,980 --> 00:11:22,220 ok and the it was like christmas and the 212 00:11:26,050 --> 00:11:23,990 mother remembered hearing what's 213 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:26,060 something striking the roof and rolling 214 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:28,010 off and then just short while later the 215 00:11:33,310 --> 00:11:30,530 house was on fire and a couple of the 216 00:11:35,500 --> 00:11:33,320 children made it out but then the other 217 00:11:37,450 --> 00:11:35,510 is just vanish they couldn't as you were 218 00:11:40,650 --> 00:11:37,460 saying Robert you know it's even in a 219 00:11:44,020 --> 00:11:40,660 house fire there's always if there are 220 00:11:45,020 --> 00:11:44,030 humans you know victims inside you will 221 00:11:46,610 --> 00:11:45,030 find there remain 222 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:46,620 so I mean they will not burn up 223 00:11:51,620 --> 00:11:49,170 completely where they're just ashes and 224 00:11:53,540 --> 00:11:51,630 these children were never found and that 225 00:11:55,550 --> 00:11:53,550 apparent parents always suspected that 226 00:11:58,700 --> 00:11:55,560 something it also happened to them I 227 00:12:01,280 --> 00:11:58,710 yeah I have a book called West Virginia 228 00:12:05,770 --> 00:12:01,290 unsolved murders right in front of me 229 00:12:10,070 --> 00:12:05,780 and the the name of the family was 230 00:12:11,510 --> 00:12:10,080 excuse me just one second the picture 231 00:12:16,510 --> 00:12:11,520 that they've got the pictures on the 232 00:12:20,230 --> 00:12:16,520 back and it was Christmas Eve 1945 uh 233 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:20,240 the there were one two three four five 234 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:23,490 there were five children one of whom is 235 00:12:29,380 --> 00:12:26,490 believed one of whom the family believed 236 00:12:34,070 --> 00:12:29,390 survived and appeared a few years later 237 00:12:38,090 --> 00:12:34,080 Robert we were talking during her break 238 00:12:42,110 --> 00:12:38,100 and I was asking about how frustrating 239 00:12:44,210 --> 00:12:42,120 it can be with newspaper reports and how 240 00:12:47,030 --> 00:12:44,220 a lot of times you'll run across an 241 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:47,040 interesting story but then there's no 242 00:12:52,730 --> 00:12:50,370 follow-up on on you know what what may 243 00:12:54,710 --> 00:12:52,740 have happened down the line and you made 244 00:12:56,450 --> 00:12:54,720 an interesting comment about newspaper 245 00:12:59,990 --> 00:12:56,460 hoaxes do i get into that little bit 246 00:13:04,250 --> 00:13:00,000 sure yeah I in the night one of the most 247 00:13:07,730 --> 00:13:04,260 famous newspaper hoaxes was about 1835 248 00:13:10,130 --> 00:13:07,740 when there were reports that astronomers 249 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:10,140 were seeing bizarre creatures living on 250 00:13:15,560 --> 00:13:13,290 the moon and that kind of got the whole 251 00:13:18,530 --> 00:13:15,570 newspaper hoax thing started people 252 00:13:20,750 --> 00:13:18,540 realize that on a slow news day or when 253 00:13:24,950 --> 00:13:20,760 you had to get sales going you could 254 00:13:27,050 --> 00:13:24,960 just invent an outrageous story and sell 255 00:13:31,580 --> 00:13:27,060 a lot of papers and some of these have 256 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:31,590 become classics some of them are stories 257 00:13:37,910 --> 00:13:34,170 that people are still arguing about for 258 00:13:39,860 --> 00:13:37,920 example the Aurora space man who 259 00:13:44,810 --> 00:13:39,870 supposedly crashed into a windmill in 260 00:13:48,230 --> 00:13:44,820 Texas the there are reports of monsters 261 00:13:51,470 --> 00:13:48,240 that some of which are still being seen 262 00:13:55,310 --> 00:13:51,480 but supposedly began as as newspaper 263 00:13:57,650 --> 00:13:55,320 hoaxes one of at this point I think I'm 264 00:13:59,990 --> 00:13:57,660 going to be ending all of my books with 265 00:14:02,380 --> 00:14:00,000 chapter on stories that either didn't 266 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:02,390 pan out or turned out to be hoaxes hey 267 00:14:07,250 --> 00:14:04,890 Robert how about the flying man over 268 00:14:09,410 --> 00:14:07,260 Coney Island what's a famous one you 269 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:09,420 know a friend of mine looked into that 270 00:14:16,820 --> 00:14:13,410 and he dissected that he took it apart 271 00:14:21,230 --> 00:14:16,830 piece by piece by piece and it is a hoax 272 00:14:23,690 --> 00:14:21,240 no yeah I know but but you know keep in 273 00:14:26,300 --> 00:14:23,700 mind that a lot of that stuff is what 274 00:14:29,450 --> 00:14:26,310 attracts us to it in the first place you 275 00:14:31,940 --> 00:14:29,460 know we really shouldn't it's I know 276 00:14:34,190 --> 00:14:31,950 that the people involved in the 277 00:14:35,750 --> 00:14:34,200 paranormal who despise hope TSA's they 278 00:14:38,150 --> 00:14:35,760 say for example when you're talking 279 00:14:40,310 --> 00:14:38,160 about cryptozoology that it puts 280 00:14:42,710 --> 00:14:40,320 cryptozoology you know cryptozoology 281 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:42,720 will never be taken seriously as long as 282 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:46,130 people keep finding bigfoot suits in 283 00:14:53,030 --> 00:14:50,850 beer freezers he's not he but the fact 284 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:53,040 of the matter is it's not taken that 285 00:14:58,330 --> 00:14:56,490 seriously anyway so I know you know I 286 00:15:00,520 --> 00:14:58,340 know some of my best friends are 287 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:00,530 cryptozoologists and they take it very 288 00:15:07,180 --> 00:15:03,810 seriously they are serious investigators 289 00:15:09,980 --> 00:15:07,190 they are scientists they know anatomy 290 00:15:13,460 --> 00:15:09,990 zoology they're serious but there's also 291 00:15:20,270 --> 00:15:13,470 a lot of other stuff involved folklore 292 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:20,280 of hoaxing just a degree of fun that you 293 00:15:26,270 --> 00:15:22,890 hate it's an it's a part of it that 294 00:15:29,900 --> 00:15:26,280 can't be discounted and to my mind it's 295 00:15:33,830 --> 00:15:29,910 often very revealing about the about 296 00:15:35,990 --> 00:15:33,840 where cryptozoology is for example in in 297 00:15:38,180 --> 00:15:36,000 society right now that somebody will 298 00:15:42,110 --> 00:15:38,190 stick a Bigfoot suit in a beer freezer 299 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:42,120 and it will become a national story what 300 00:15:45,830 --> 00:15:44,610 does that say about us right now it says 301 00:15:50,300 --> 00:15:45,840 that somebody ought to come up with a 302 00:15:52,910 --> 00:15:50,310 Bigfoot beer actually there really is 303 00:15:57,290 --> 00:15:52,920 right yeah i also have Bigfoot wine and 304 00:16:00,500 --> 00:15:57,300 i think Bigfoot l yeah flora florida has 305 00:16:05,420 --> 00:16:00,510 like your skunky skunky beer you know 306 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:05,430 what that's good now now that although 307 00:16:08,660 --> 00:16:07,290 some of the wider although some of the 308 00:16:11,510 --> 00:16:08,670 cheap wine that I've drank over the 309 00:16:13,790 --> 00:16:11,520 years must be related I mean 310 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:13,800 by the the my first book the president's 311 00:16:19,490 --> 00:16:16,530 vampire turned out to be a hoax the 312 00:16:22,130 --> 00:16:19,500 story I which I found in one of charles 313 00:16:25,610 --> 00:16:22,140 sports books was that a sailor on a 314 00:16:28,910 --> 00:16:25,620 whaling ship began to kill and drink the 315 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:28,920 blood of fellow sailors so he was put in 316 00:16:35,810 --> 00:16:31,770 Chains taken back to Boston put on trial 317 00:16:40,610 --> 00:16:35,820 and that was more or less where the 318 00:16:43,910 --> 00:16:40,620 story ended well after some really deep 319 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:43,920 research I even found the ship's log 320 00:16:49,310 --> 00:16:46,530 from the day that the murder happened it 321 00:16:52,220 --> 00:16:49,320 turned out that the story was completely 322 00:16:54,050 --> 00:16:52,230 wrong there had he wasn't a vampire he 323 00:16:55,730 --> 00:16:54,060 was a ship's cook who had gotten into a 324 00:16:57,710 --> 00:16:55,740 knife he got into an argument with a 325 00:17:00,800 --> 00:16:57,720 sailor over the quality of the food 326 00:17:03,500 --> 00:17:00,810 stabbed him he was taken back to Boston 327 00:17:06,650 --> 00:17:03,510 put on trial he was sentenced to hang 328 00:17:08,270 --> 00:17:06,660 but President Andrew Johnson commuted 329 00:17:11,090 --> 00:17:08,280 his sentence because he was clearly 330 00:17:12,860 --> 00:17:11,100 insane in fact when I owe doing the 331 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:12,870 research i found out for example that 332 00:17:17,300 --> 00:17:14,850 sailors used to be able to pay their 333 00:17:21,199 --> 00:17:17,310 lawyers with a barrel of whale oil which 334 00:17:24,050 --> 00:17:21,209 I didn't know but he ended up he ended 335 00:17:25,610 --> 00:17:24,060 up being sent to a prison where he 336 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:25,620 supposedly drank the blood of more 337 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:28,050 inmates that didn't happen either and he 338 00:17:33,290 --> 00:17:29,730 ended up in st. Elizabeth's mental 339 00:17:35,630 --> 00:17:33,300 hospital in Washington DC where I found 340 00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:35,640 a bunch of letters that he wrote and as 341 00:17:41,690 --> 00:17:38,400 time went on he clearly became crazier 342 00:17:44,330 --> 00:17:41,700 and crazier and crazier but he wasn't a 343 00:17:45,950 --> 00:17:44,340 vampire it never happened but you'll 344 00:17:48,380 --> 00:17:45,960 find it in almost any collection of 345 00:17:53,030 --> 00:17:48,390 real-life vampires you know of all the 346 00:17:55,190 --> 00:17:53,040 paranormal denizens of the dark side why 347 00:17:58,180 --> 00:17:55,200 is it Robert it to think vampires seem 348 00:18:01,550 --> 00:17:58,190 to be the one that most people are 349 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:01,560 titillated and fascinated by their sexy 350 00:18:06,050 --> 00:18:03,690 at least the Hollywood version of it is 351 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:06,060 sexy the folklore version of it is not 352 00:18:12,830 --> 00:18:08,490 sexy at all definitely not in fact it's 353 00:18:15,380 --> 00:18:12,840 repulsive but uh you know the the way 354 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:15,390 they the way they've been translated in 355 00:18:21,250 --> 00:18:18,690 literature and film makes them very 356 00:18:24,890 --> 00:18:21,260 erotic in fact there's a section of 357 00:18:29,270 --> 00:18:24,900 Dracula where Jonathan Harker is being 358 00:18:33,290 --> 00:18:29,280 a attacked by Dracula three wives that 359 00:18:36,500 --> 00:18:33,300 is pretty heavy reading for a 19th 360 00:18:40,580 --> 00:18:36,510 century book it's pretty erotic and I 361 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:40,590 think that's always been a subtext of 362 00:18:46,820 --> 00:18:44,730 the of jar of the vampire lit at least 363 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:46,830 the modern form of it again the 364 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:49,650 traditional folk version of it and when 365 00:18:54,650 --> 00:18:52,410 you get out of Western culture and you 366 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:54,660 go to asian cultures the vampires are 367 00:18:59,870 --> 00:18:57,450 even more disgusting what what do they 368 00:19:04,670 --> 00:18:59,880 do oh there's this one called the pen 369 00:19:07,490 --> 00:19:04,680 angle on that is peers in Indonesia and 370 00:19:11,780 --> 00:19:07,500 in countries in that area and what it is 371 00:19:16,580 --> 00:19:11,790 is a witch whose head separates from the 372 00:19:19,940 --> 00:19:16,590 body and as she as her head flies out of 373 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:19,950 the body all the intestines and internal 374 00:19:26,210 --> 00:19:23,010 organs stay on so she's flying through 375 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:26,220 the air dragging her intestines behind 376 00:19:31,820 --> 00:19:28,770 her and feeding on the blood of children 377 00:19:34,310 --> 00:19:31,830 and women so the way you get rid of her 378 00:19:36,350 --> 00:19:34,320 is you put thorned branches around your 379 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:36,360 window because she's afraid of getting 380 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:39,810 her intestines caught on them oh love 381 00:19:46,850 --> 00:19:44,490 very nice lovely I like that way uh when 382 00:19:48,620 --> 00:19:46,860 you look at when seat century mysticism 383 00:19:50,750 --> 00:19:48,630 and early twentieth century mysticism 384 00:19:53,990 --> 00:19:50,760 you'll also find many references to 385 00:19:57,890 --> 00:19:54,000 psychic vampires that is a people who 386 00:20:00,530 --> 00:19:57,900 somehow have this ability according to 387 00:20:02,540 --> 00:20:00,540 the according to the Mystics the people 388 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:02,550 that have this ability to take energy 389 00:20:07,820 --> 00:20:04,890 from others and and bring it into 390 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:07,830 themselves Dionne fortune writes about 391 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:10,530 it in some of her books and it gives 392 00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:13,650 ideas on how to cope with it you know 393 00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:18,240 some of my relatives my death years ago 394 00:20:23,330 --> 00:20:20,640 when I was a director of the New York 395 00:20:25,610 --> 00:20:23,340 School of occult arts and sciences which 396 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:25,620 is one of the first physical centers in 397 00:20:32,690 --> 00:20:28,530 the country I ran from the late 60s to 398 00:20:35,180 --> 00:20:32,700 the mid 70s we had a lot of people 399 00:20:37,070 --> 00:20:35,190 coming in I would say let's say it off 400 00:20:38,690 --> 00:20:37,080 the street you know through ads they 401 00:20:40,970 --> 00:20:38,700 came in to buy books and Ouija 402 00:20:43,340 --> 00:20:40,980 words and stuff like that and and that's 403 00:20:45,980 --> 00:20:43,350 how I became I think familiar with the 404 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:45,990 the psychic vampire and probably one of 405 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:48,890 the reasons that I never got into the 406 00:20:56,570 --> 00:20:53,250 occult retail business because i found i 407 00:21:00,590 --> 00:20:56,580 discovered that a very high percentage 408 00:21:02,780 --> 00:21:00,600 of the people who claim that they came 409 00:21:05,450 --> 00:21:02,790 for knowledge we're not coming for 410 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:05,460 knowledge they were coming to withdraw 411 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:09,690 energy from from us or from the speakers 412 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:13,290 and not giving anything in return I it's 413 00:21:17,780 --> 00:21:15,810 a very very very unusual type of a thing 414 00:21:20,060 --> 00:21:17,790 and I don't think it lets you have 415 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:20,070 constant contact with the public most 416 00:21:26,690 --> 00:21:22,410 people realize that it exists but it's a 417 00:21:29,890 --> 00:21:26,700 it can be frightening well I can't speak 418 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:29,900 for that because I have had very little 419 00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:32,610 contact with the public i generally stay 420 00:21:39,170 --> 00:21:36,720 at home and write the but i have spent 421 00:21:43,070 --> 00:21:39,180 time with psychics and they are utterly 422 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:43,080 exhausting i don't i'm not saying that 423 00:21:48,380 --> 00:21:45,570 they're sucking on my energy or anything 424 00:21:50,260 --> 00:21:48,390 like that but i find that there's 425 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:50,270 something about being around them that 426 00:21:56,210 --> 00:21:54,090 saps me and leaves me utterly exhausted 427 00:21:58,670 --> 00:21:56,220 which is one of the reasons why i don't 428 00:22:02,120 --> 00:21:58,680 have much to do with them anymore well 429 00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:02,130 some some some teleport I know tim has 430 00:22:08,570 --> 00:22:05,760 done some research on teleportation out 431 00:22:12,170 --> 00:22:08,580 there in Indiana did you not attend the 432 00:22:14,330 --> 00:22:12,180 am or do an investigation in a house 433 00:22:19,310 --> 00:22:14,340 where objects were falling from the 434 00:22:21,620 --> 00:22:19,320 ceiling oh yes yeah well rocks it was it 435 00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:21,630 was a it was a house that had kind of a 436 00:22:27,770 --> 00:22:25,440 yeah i hate's a mundane but it really 437 00:22:31,730 --> 00:22:27,780 was it was kind of just like a mundane 438 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:31,740 poltergeist activity and while while i 439 00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:35,210 was there talking to the people that 440 00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:39,840 there was a it's hard to describe it was 441 00:22:44,919 --> 00:22:42,000 like there was I it was like a crash or 442 00:22:47,749 --> 00:22:44,929 a boom it's 443 00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:47,759 but but you know some kind of loud noise 444 00:22:52,610 --> 00:22:49,919 shook the house and then all of a sudden 445 00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:52,620 you know like small rocks started 446 00:22:56,899 --> 00:22:54,960 falling from the ceiling just in one 447 00:22:58,970 --> 00:22:56,909 location just kind of almost right in 448 00:23:00,320 --> 00:22:58,980 the middle of the ceiling and they're 449 00:23:02,690 --> 00:23:00,330 just like the you know little white 450 00:23:06,139 --> 00:23:02,700 limestone gravel rocks and in fact they 451 00:23:07,460 --> 00:23:06,149 had their their driveway was was full of 452 00:23:09,409 --> 00:23:07,470 them and you know you really couldn't 453 00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:09,419 tell the difference it looked like that 454 00:23:15,799 --> 00:23:12,320 maybe they had been you know scooped out 455 00:23:18,799 --> 00:23:15,809 from that from that driveway but your 456 00:23:21,649 --> 00:23:18,809 year you were talking about cats I I do 457 00:23:24,649 --> 00:23:21,659 think that cats have the ability to 458 00:23:27,950 --> 00:23:24,659 teleport somehow from one place to the 459 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:27,960 other because I mean I remember as a kid 460 00:23:35,090 --> 00:23:30,690 I had a friend who had a Siamese cat 461 00:23:37,279 --> 00:23:35,100 that they would put it outside and it 462 00:23:38,749 --> 00:23:37,289 would be back inside in just a few 463 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:38,759 minutes and they never could figure out 464 00:23:44,330 --> 00:23:41,970 how he was finding his way in but he 465 00:23:47,419 --> 00:23:44,340 always managed to it was kind of bizarre 466 00:23:49,879 --> 00:23:47,429 hey Robert do you remember some of the 467 00:23:53,090 --> 00:23:49,889 early cases that they've been mentioned 468 00:23:56,019 --> 00:23:53,100 in the written up in the 14 times where 469 00:23:58,730 --> 00:23:56,029 people's homes were pelted by 470 00:24:00,379 --> 00:23:58,740 continuously pelted by rocks I yeah I 471 00:24:03,499 --> 00:24:00,389 know that's one of the classic 472 00:24:07,009 --> 00:24:03,509 poltergeist phenomena in fact it even 473 00:24:09,940 --> 00:24:07,019 has a Greek name they call it litho 474 00:24:13,070 --> 00:24:09,950 bowlea for rockets right throwing yeah 475 00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:13,080 it's uh in fact when Tim was talking 476 00:24:18,980 --> 00:24:15,360 about the rocks that were just dropping 477 00:24:21,980 --> 00:24:18,990 into the into the house my first I 478 00:24:25,249 --> 00:24:21,990 wondered for example were they fall in a 479 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:25,259 straight path were they warm because for 480 00:24:30,259 --> 00:24:27,450 some reason rock falls during 481 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:30,269 poltergeist are sometimes warm yes to 482 00:24:36,049 --> 00:24:33,690 both right yesterday and he did that 483 00:24:40,129 --> 00:24:36,059 also if it happened at night were they 484 00:24:43,159 --> 00:24:40,139 cool because it's cool outside oh no 485 00:24:45,230 --> 00:24:43,169 well it was it was early evening the the 486 00:24:49,070 --> 00:24:45,240 Sun was in the process of setting but 487 00:24:51,769 --> 00:24:49,080 hadn't quite set yet it was like around 488 00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:51,779 August so and it was fairly warm outside 489 00:24:58,159 --> 00:24:56,370 but yes the rocks they fell in a just 490 00:25:00,799 --> 00:24:58,169 straight down 491 00:25:02,419 --> 00:25:00,809 and on to the carpeting and they didn't 492 00:25:04,190 --> 00:25:02,429 bounce or anything like that but you 493 00:25:06,139 --> 00:25:04,200 know I mean it was it was carpeting with 494 00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:06,149 padding and so they probably well they 495 00:25:10,909 --> 00:25:08,159 would walk what was there the classic 496 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:10,919 poltergeist child there there were two 497 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:14,369 of them there was an older girl who was 498 00:25:21,859 --> 00:25:17,730 about 12 and then she had a younger 499 00:25:23,539 --> 00:25:21,869 brother who is 10 and they they had just 500 00:25:25,580 --> 00:25:23,549 recently moved in with their 501 00:25:28,759 --> 00:25:25,590 grandparents because both of their 502 00:25:31,009 --> 00:25:28,769 parents had been sent to jail why are 503 00:25:33,619 --> 00:25:31,019 different things this is a classic 504 00:25:36,379 --> 00:25:33,629 poltergeist setup it really was well you 505 00:25:39,259 --> 00:25:36,389 know the yeah lewberty a family under a 506 00:25:42,289 --> 00:25:39,269 lot of stress uh thatthat's all the 507 00:25:45,019 --> 00:25:42,299 ingredients well the the really bizarre 508 00:25:48,499 --> 00:25:45,029 part you know and I'm not talking about 509 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:48,509 this before it's from here oh yeah and I 510 00:25:55,129 --> 00:25:51,690 got this from Ivan t Sanderson who did 511 00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:55,139 the same thing and I took out a sharpie 512 00:25:59,960 --> 00:25:57,600 and I mark the rocks with a big X and 513 00:26:02,570 --> 00:25:59,970 then I took them out the back door there 514 00:26:04,580 --> 00:26:02,580 was a cornfield behind the house and I 515 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:04,590 tossed them all as far as I could into 516 00:26:10,609 --> 00:26:07,850 the cornfield came back in sit down and 517 00:26:14,269 --> 00:26:10,619 you know almost immediately they came 518 00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:14,279 back that's classic same same same 519 00:26:20,539 --> 00:26:16,559 pattern dropping from the ceiling and 520 00:26:21,859 --> 00:26:20,549 and then onto the onto the floor where 521 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:21,869 the kids present were they in the house 522 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:24,690 they were in the house but they were in 523 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:27,210 their bedroom down the hallway which I 524 00:26:32,690 --> 00:26:30,690 was situated where I could see them down 525 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:32,700 the hallway in the room because the the 526 00:26:39,129 --> 00:26:35,369 hallway came off from the living room 527 00:26:41,930 --> 00:26:39,139 and then their room was the last room 528 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:41,940 down the hallway and I could see them 529 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:44,369 they were sitting on the bed playing a 530 00:26:50,269 --> 00:26:47,730 game mm-hmm and that you got that up go 531 00:26:52,190 --> 00:26:50,279 ahead Glenn I'm just that is just your 532 00:26:55,039 --> 00:26:52,200 it's like you're ticking off every box 533 00:26:57,799 --> 00:26:55,049 on the classic poltergeist checklist 534 00:27:01,009 --> 00:26:57,809 well and the the odd thing about it is 535 00:27:03,729 --> 00:27:01,019 is that after that incident the the the 536 00:27:06,529 --> 00:27:03,739 couple you know I I kept in touch as 537 00:27:09,019 --> 00:27:06,539 somewhat they they told me that after 538 00:27:10,879 --> 00:27:09,029 that after that evening then the 539 00:27:11,779 --> 00:27:10,889 poltergeist activity just basically 540 00:27:14,060 --> 00:27:11,789 stopped 541 00:27:16,249 --> 00:27:14,070 the there there was a few more minor 542 00:27:18,289 --> 00:27:16,259 incidents but it just basically then 543 00:27:22,180 --> 00:27:18,299 went away it was like all the energy had 544 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:22,190 had been used we're on strike that today 545 00:27:29,899 --> 00:27:24,570 Robert what about you I mean do you have 546 00:27:32,139 --> 00:27:29,909 a any favorite paranormal incidents of 547 00:27:35,139 --> 00:27:32,149 your own that you've either you know 548 00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:35,149 experienced or researched extensively 549 00:27:40,430 --> 00:27:38,399 well I've got some stories most most of 550 00:27:43,999 --> 00:27:40,440 them are old historical stories that I 551 00:27:47,539 --> 00:27:44,009 just are very frustratingly they just 552 00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:47,549 dried up for example i think you know 553 00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:49,679 when you keep doing this long enough you 554 00:27:55,789 --> 00:27:52,769 get hints of what might explain it for 555 00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:55,799 example i have this one story from 19th 556 00:28:01,849 --> 00:27:59,039 century main of this family that went 557 00:28:04,969 --> 00:28:01,859 out to their barn and discovered that 558 00:28:06,830 --> 00:28:04,979 their cow had dried up and they were 559 00:28:09,589 --> 00:28:06,840 starting to get worried because the cow 560 00:28:13,369 --> 00:28:09,599 was not giving milk and it turned out 561 00:28:16,609 --> 00:28:13,379 that a man was hiding in their bar and 562 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:16,619 he was sleeping in the hay and he was 563 00:28:24,219 --> 00:28:20,369 living off the cow's milk and eating um 564 00:28:28,249 --> 00:28:24,229 what italo candles but he had no feet 565 00:28:31,399 --> 00:28:28,259 they had been crudely chopped off and 566 00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:31,409 somehow he had been he had ended up at 567 00:28:38,330 --> 00:28:34,320 this family's barn no one knows where he 568 00:28:40,129 --> 00:28:38,340 came from he never spoke and he ended up 569 00:28:44,570 --> 00:28:40,139 being put into the local poor house 570 00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:44,580 where supposedly he was put into a sort 571 00:28:49,789 --> 00:28:47,039 of an outdoor cage in the summer where 572 00:28:51,349 --> 00:28:49,799 he was where they aired him out they 573 00:28:54,830 --> 00:28:51,359 never learned anything else about him 574 00:28:58,279 --> 00:28:54,840 now I I I wrote to the local Historical 575 00:29:01,759 --> 00:28:58,289 Society I I was never able to find out 576 00:29:04,849 --> 00:29:01,769 anything precise the only thing I can 577 00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:04,859 think of and this was just something I 578 00:29:10,899 --> 00:29:07,919 happened to come across was that it 579 00:29:14,419 --> 00:29:10,909 might be a newspaper story based on 580 00:29:17,239 --> 00:29:14,429 another story from Canada where a man 581 00:29:19,759 --> 00:29:17,249 without anything just showed up but he's 582 00:29:22,460 --> 00:29:19,769 pretty well documented I I haven't 583 00:29:24,589 --> 00:29:22,470 really I had him in my filing cabinet I 584 00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:24,599 have the story of my filing cabinet but 585 00:29:27,619 --> 00:29:25,440 I haven't really 586 00:29:29,869 --> 00:29:27,629 looked into it because it's Canadian and 587 00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:29,879 I try to concentrate on American stories 588 00:29:38,299 --> 00:29:34,289 uh these this man with no legs though 589 00:29:40,369 --> 00:29:38,309 that bothered me because it if the story 590 00:29:43,789 --> 00:29:40,379 was true again there was this question 591 00:29:46,159 --> 00:29:43,799 of how did he get there who who left him 592 00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:46,169 there did he do it himself people do 593 00:29:53,659 --> 00:29:50,159 bizarre things uh I mean I've got I've 594 00:29:56,210 --> 00:29:53,669 got clippings of I have a bizarre 595 00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:56,220 suicide folder of people that kill 596 00:30:02,419 --> 00:29:59,039 themselves by dry pounding a nail into 597 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:02,429 their heart people that kill themselves 598 00:30:11,169 --> 00:30:06,690 yeah I have this one of somebody who 599 00:30:14,629 --> 00:30:11,179 built he took a hard hat and he put 600 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:14,639 rifle cartridges all around it and then 601 00:30:21,549 --> 00:30:18,210 put electrical outlet he put he contact 602 00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:21,559 you put electrical contacts under the 603 00:30:26,869 --> 00:30:24,049 cartridges and he killed himself by 604 00:30:30,740 --> 00:30:26,879 simultaneously shooting something like 605 00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:30,750 nine rifle shotgun cartridges into his 606 00:30:36,259 --> 00:30:34,320 head out so I mean the way people will 607 00:30:40,490 --> 00:30:36,269 the things people can do to themselves 608 00:30:42,619 --> 00:30:40,500 are astonishing yeah in fact oh i think 609 00:30:45,259 --> 00:30:42,629 there's going to be a story a chapter in 610 00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:45,269 my next book dedicated to people that 611 00:30:51,259 --> 00:30:48,289 took matt with the line from Matthew 18 612 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:51,269 about if your eye offends thee pluck it 613 00:30:57,259 --> 00:30:54,450 out if I had friends I I these people 614 00:30:59,779 --> 00:30:57,269 took the admonition way to literally 615 00:31:01,730 --> 00:30:59,789 yeah I think I'm gonna do a chapter on 616 00:31:03,860 --> 00:31:01,740 them in the next book interesting 617 00:31:08,749 --> 00:31:03,870 tentatively titled the Matthew 618 00:31:10,460 --> 00:31:08,759 mutilators because one compact you Robin 619 00:31:13,310 --> 00:31:10,470 what was what was the last article you 620 00:31:16,460 --> 00:31:13,320 wrote for 14 times about it was about a 621 00:31:19,310 --> 00:31:16,470 man named Benny evangelist who was found 622 00:31:22,100 --> 00:31:19,320 with his head chopped off sitting at his 623 00:31:25,070 --> 00:31:22,110 desk well he was sitting at his desk his 624 00:31:28,249 --> 00:31:25,080 head was on the floor and his family was 625 00:31:30,700 --> 00:31:28,259 all murdered upstairs and the police 626 00:31:34,669 --> 00:31:30,710 were never able to find out he did it 627 00:31:39,289 --> 00:31:34,679 but they came up with this idea that he 628 00:31:43,100 --> 00:31:39,299 had that he was he practiced a form of 629 00:31:45,979 --> 00:31:43,110 you folk witchcraft cold our power right 630 00:31:49,729 --> 00:31:45,989 there we have up we have a book is it's 631 00:31:53,629 --> 00:31:49,739 the the book of pow wows no yeah it's an 632 00:31:55,820 --> 00:31:53,639 old oh it's mainly weird the treatments 633 00:32:00,739 --> 00:31:55,830 for animals and things like that it's a 634 00:32:03,799 --> 00:32:00,749 well he was a he came from Italy and he 635 00:32:05,869 --> 00:32:03,809 lived he worked on the railroad in York 636 00:32:08,779 --> 00:32:05,879 County Pennsylvania for a few years and 637 00:32:11,090 --> 00:32:08,789 for some reason they decided that he was 638 00:32:13,539 --> 00:32:11,100 practicing powwow although he does seem 639 00:32:15,859 --> 00:32:13,549 to have been the local the local 640 00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:15,869 sorcerer he was like the the 641 00:32:21,499 --> 00:32:18,960 neighborhood which who gave out who gave 642 00:32:24,169 --> 00:32:21,509 out love potions and helped people find 643 00:32:27,499 --> 00:32:24,179 people things like that but this 644 00:32:29,479 --> 00:32:27,509 mysterious death led to them 645 00:32:33,070 --> 00:32:29,489 investigating his house and they 646 00:32:36,229 --> 00:32:33,080 discovered these bizarre life-size 647 00:32:38,239 --> 00:32:36,239 dummies down in his basement they 648 00:32:40,220 --> 00:32:38,249 discovered the book he wrote which was 649 00:32:42,499 --> 00:32:40,230 the oldest history of the world as 650 00:32:44,690 --> 00:32:42,509 discovered by psychic science which is a 651 00:32:47,899 --> 00:32:44,700 book that you really have to try to plow 652 00:32:50,419 --> 00:32:47,909 through one day it is so strange it was 653 00:32:52,220 --> 00:32:50,429 supposed supposedly visions that he 654 00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:52,230 experienced every night for three hours 655 00:32:57,109 --> 00:32:54,840 over the period when hey if it's if it's 656 00:32:59,119 --> 00:32:57,119 in public domain we'll we'll put a nice 657 00:33:02,599 --> 00:32:59,129 new cover on it change the title and 658 00:33:05,330 --> 00:33:02,609 publish it so um Robert I wanted to ask 659 00:33:07,999 --> 00:33:05,340 you about he said your most recent book 660 00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:08,009 is mrs. Wakeman versus the Antichrist 661 00:33:11,659 --> 00:33:10,080 yeah I love that I love that title won't 662 00:33:14,330 --> 00:33:11,669 you tell us a little bit about that land 663 00:33:15,950 --> 00:33:14,340 that's a great title well it all got 664 00:33:18,859 --> 00:33:15,960 started when I was watching a 665 00:33:21,859 --> 00:33:18,869 documentary called on the Manson Family 666 00:33:24,379 --> 00:33:21,869 and one of the women that they were 667 00:33:27,070 --> 00:33:24,389 talking to said that the Manson Family 668 00:33:31,099 --> 00:33:27,080 was the first real cult in America and 669 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:31,109 the tate-labianca murders were the first 670 00:33:36,979 --> 00:33:33,330 real cult murders and I said no that 671 00:33:41,570 --> 00:33:36,989 can't be right so I started looking into 672 00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:41,580 19th century cults and I found several 673 00:33:46,849 --> 00:33:44,369 that committed murders some that could 674 00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:46,859 even be called human sacrifices but one 675 00:33:52,259 --> 00:33:49,200 that stuck in my mind was mrs. Wakeman 676 00:33:55,979 --> 00:33:52,269 who had a small cult in 677 00:33:58,799 --> 00:33:55,989 Connecticut and she it was right it was 678 00:34:01,139 --> 00:33:58,809 in the shadow of Yale was the way they 679 00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:01,149 kept putting it in the newspapers at the 680 00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:04,809 time but she believed that she was being 681 00:34:10,589 --> 00:34:08,049 tormented by the Antichrist who which 682 00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:10,599 would jump from person to person usually 683 00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:13,200 whoever she disliked at the time would 684 00:34:19,579 --> 00:34:16,000 become the would become the new home of 685 00:34:23,369 --> 00:34:19,589 the Antichrist and he would send magical 686 00:34:25,500 --> 00:34:23,379 magical things to torment her well one 687 00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:25,510 of her own followers eventually became 688 00:34:32,279 --> 00:34:29,169 possessed by the Antichrist and he was 689 00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:32,289 murdered by her other followers because 690 00:34:38,940 --> 00:34:35,440 they thought that he was magically 691 00:34:41,819 --> 00:34:38,950 killing mrs. Wakeman who was the Messiah 692 00:34:44,430 --> 00:34:41,829 and the savior of the world right after 693 00:34:50,220 --> 00:34:44,440 he was murdered it was on it was on 694 00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:50,230 Christmas 1850 I believe another one of 695 00:34:55,019 --> 00:34:52,960 her sort of semi followers somebody who 696 00:34:57,620 --> 00:34:55,029 regularly attracted who you regularly 697 00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:57,630 attended her meetings he went out and 698 00:35:06,329 --> 00:35:01,359 murdered two old men with an axe 699 00:35:08,609 --> 00:35:06,339 chopping their heads off he so again the 700 00:35:10,829 --> 00:35:08,619 idea that that was the the idea that 701 00:35:13,019 --> 00:35:10,839 tate-labianca was the first cult murder 702 00:35:16,049 --> 00:35:13,029 in the United States was just very very 703 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:16,059 wrong III have a lot of them that we 704 00:35:19,740 --> 00:35:18,490 could bring up so it ended up being 705 00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:19,750 called mrs. Wakeman versus the 706 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:22,960 Antichrist and people do seem to like 707 00:35:30,089 --> 00:35:26,410 that title it is good we received it 708 00:35:31,890 --> 00:35:30,099 from your publicist oh great great did 709 00:35:34,769 --> 00:35:31,900 you uh did you have a chance to look at 710 00:35:37,620 --> 00:35:34,779 some of the other stories actually no 711 00:35:40,650 --> 00:35:37,630 not yet we have we receive about six or 712 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:40,660 seven books a week sure and having to do 713 00:35:45,450 --> 00:35:42,130 my own work it's difficult to read a 714 00:35:47,700 --> 00:35:45,460 stop sign never mom of course one of the 715 00:35:50,339 --> 00:35:47,710 most popular has actually been on people 716 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:50,349 that commit suicide by building 717 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:51,970 guillotines and chopping their own heads 718 00:35:57,210 --> 00:35:55,690 off I i I'd might have to meijer the 719 00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:57,220 enterprise well you know it's funny 720 00:36:01,980 --> 00:35:59,920 because as nearly as I can tell a lot of 721 00:36:03,539 --> 00:36:01,990 these beloved they're almost always men 722 00:36:05,370 --> 00:36:03,549 with a few exceptions but they're almost 723 00:36:08,460 --> 00:36:05,380 always men and 724 00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:08,470 they're usually engineers or inventors 725 00:36:13,140 --> 00:36:10,960 and they seem to really enjoy putting 726 00:36:16,770 --> 00:36:13,150 the putting together a quality 727 00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:16,780 guillotine that takes their head off the 728 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:19,270 the best one though was a man named a 729 00:36:25,730 --> 00:36:22,930 moon who out in lafayette indiana built 730 00:36:28,980 --> 00:36:25,740 a big hinged acts in a hotel room and 731 00:36:31,290 --> 00:36:28,990 stuck his head into a box wit that had 732 00:36:35,550 --> 00:36:31,300 some chloroform soaked cotton in it and 733 00:36:38,460 --> 00:36:35,560 he suspended the the ax the ax was 734 00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:38,470 hinged to the floor and he suspended it 735 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:40,960 with a cord and put a candle next to the 736 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:43,090 cord so when the court when the candle 737 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:45,130 burned down it burnt through the cord 738 00:36:49,410 --> 00:36:47,290 released the axe and chopped his head 739 00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:49,420 off while he was stupefied by the 740 00:36:54,180 --> 00:36:51,250 chloroform I could just hear 741 00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:54,190 housekeeping well the poor thing some 742 00:36:59,370 --> 00:36:56,320 poor maid she was about 13 years old 743 00:37:01,380 --> 00:36:59,380 it's just she had just started a week 744 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:01,390 before and she's the one who found him 745 00:37:08,580 --> 00:37:05,290 of course all my years of whiskey guys 746 00:37:10,470 --> 00:37:08,590 must be a graduate of Purdue well she 747 00:37:13,350 --> 00:37:10,480 actually ended up staying at the hotel 748 00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:13,360 for the next 40 years or so so I guess 749 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:14,710 you figured that once she'd seen that 750 00:37:22,770 --> 00:37:16,690 everything else was going to be downhill 751 00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:22,780 uh yep you'd get it hope so nothing's 752 00:37:30,270 --> 00:37:26,880 top that uh I don't know i mean that 753 00:37:32,490 --> 00:37:30,280 that sounds like a case that that that i 754 00:37:35,910 --> 00:37:32,500 researched for for quite a while what i 755 00:37:38,340 --> 00:37:35,920 was still in the news business of up in 756 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:38,350 the you know the region as i call it you 757 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:41,290 know the chicago northern indiana area 758 00:37:47,130 --> 00:37:44,770 of a guy who allegedly committed suicide 759 00:37:51,570 --> 00:37:47,140 by beating himself in the head with a 760 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:51,580 hammer wow i believe it on there was 761 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:54,130 another man a German immigrant in 762 00:37:59,550 --> 00:37:57,370 Brooklyn who tried to chop he tried 763 00:38:02,070 --> 00:37:59,560 building a homemade guillotine with an 764 00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:02,080 axe but he couldn't get it to work so he 765 00:38:06,890 --> 00:38:04,960 finally just took the axe and smacked 766 00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:06,900 himself right in the face with it ah 767 00:38:14,910 --> 00:38:11,110 yeah well you know I I think this would 768 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:14,920 make a wonderful TV series over there 769 00:38:21,220 --> 00:38:17,570 yes or or or 770 00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:21,230 or a movie I don't know I gotta show 771 00:38:27,130 --> 00:38:25,760 yeah yeah I was it wasn't wasn't just 772 00:38:29,230 --> 00:38:27,140 people that build guillotines either 773 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:29,240 there were men who there was I have one 774 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:31,370 case of a man who managed to slice his 775 00:38:37,270 --> 00:38:33,850 own head off with a straight razor house 776 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:37,280 yeah I don't know how I'd do that about 777 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:41,210 once a week how could you how could you 778 00:38:46,570 --> 00:38:44,570 do that I honestly though oh I figure 779 00:38:49,330 --> 00:38:46,580 that he either had a very thin neck and 780 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:49,340 it was a very long racer and he just 781 00:38:54,430 --> 00:38:52,130 looked out that somehow you know it was 782 00:38:56,620 --> 00:38:54,440 not it back in the days when men shaved 783 00:38:58,810 --> 00:38:56,630 with straight razors it was not unusual 784 00:39:02,680 --> 00:38:58,820 to commit suicide by cutting her throat 785 00:39:04,090 --> 00:39:02,690 was oh well I think I figure what he did 786 00:39:06,130 --> 00:39:04,100 was he tried to cutting his throat with 787 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:06,140 a razor and just went a little too deep 788 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:09,050 and somehow just managed to get through 789 00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:11,930 the vertebra they they found a headless 790 00:39:15,310 --> 00:39:13,520 body but he must have done it on the 791 00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:15,320 hill or something because the head rolls 792 00:39:20,530 --> 00:39:16,730 away and they didn't find it for another 793 00:39:23,230 --> 00:39:20,540 few weeks very i always worry when i go 794 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:23,240 to a boy you know get my hair done and 795 00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:24,770 then they want to trim the sideburns and 796 00:39:34,570 --> 00:39:27,110 stuff to let somebody go wild with a 797 00:39:36,970 --> 00:39:34,580 straight razor like that is so suddenly 798 00:39:39,070 --> 00:39:36,980 they'll remember some slight that 799 00:39:41,620 --> 00:39:39,080 happened years ago or something and I'd 800 00:39:43,450 --> 00:39:41,630 it's a well I think there was a there 801 00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:43,460 was a Babylonian king who didn't like 802 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:45,920 anyone near his hair with a razor so he 803 00:40:03,000 --> 00:39:58,600 to each their own and I well I you know 804 00:40:05,110 --> 00:40:03,010 I've heard of people who have 805 00:40:08,980 --> 00:40:05,120 constructed just all kinds of 806 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:08,990 interesting devices I mean not only like 807 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:12,650 you said to to to take themselves out of 808 00:40:20,830 --> 00:40:17,890 this world but also and I'll just out 809 00:40:24,660 --> 00:40:20,840 I'll be I'll be kind with this but just 810 00:40:26,650 --> 00:40:24,670 generally for a more more pleasant thing 811 00:40:28,060 --> 00:40:26,660 well you know it's funny you should 812 00:40:29,470 --> 00:40:28,070 mention that because I think there's 813 00:40:31,300 --> 00:40:29,480 also going to be a chapter in my next 814 00:40:35,380 --> 00:40:31,310 book on auto 815 00:40:39,370 --> 00:40:35,390 erotic fatalities maybe Paul yeah they 816 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:39,380 ever since uh which Carradine died that 817 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:43,490 way they know David David David ever 818 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:47,090 since that happened uh it's become part 819 00:40:50,620 --> 00:40:49,010 of the national conversation it's not 820 00:40:52,510 --> 00:40:50,630 something that's just completely 821 00:40:55,870 --> 00:40:52,520 obscurely never brought up the subject 822 00:40:58,690 --> 00:40:55,880 of UFOs this evening Robert have you 823 00:41:00,340 --> 00:40:58,700 ever any good UFO cases out your way 824 00:41:02,020 --> 00:41:00,350 that you've investigated you know I'll 825 00:41:05,740 --> 00:41:02,030 tell you the truth Tim I have always 826 00:41:09,370 --> 00:41:05,750 avoided UFOs because it is such a big 827 00:41:13,390 --> 00:41:09,380 area and so contentious that I I never 828 00:41:16,690 --> 00:41:13,400 really wanted to dive into it the I I've 829 00:41:18,970 --> 00:41:16,700 always avoided UFOs the Kennedy 830 00:41:24,340 --> 00:41:18,980 assassination and anything with the word 831 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:24,350 Illuminati in it well you know we're 832 00:41:29,770 --> 00:41:27,410 getting close to wrap up time I can't 833 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:29,780 believe that really it's the bewitching 834 00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:32,930 hour here on the east coast which means 835 00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:37,280 that we turn into Al's I don't know what 836 00:41:44,020 --> 00:41:40,160 what do we turn into Tim pumpkins hunter 837 00:41:45,790 --> 00:41:44,030 yeah well it's becoming speak for 838 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:45,800 yourself speak for yourself i'm trying 839 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:50,690 to lose a little weight but Robert why 840 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:53,690 don't you tell us about your website how 841 00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:56,570 do people find you sure the best way to 842 00:42:01,870 --> 00:41:58,880 get in touch with me is on facebook and 843 00:42:04,330 --> 00:42:01,880 my facebook page is historian of the 844 00:42:07,300 --> 00:42:04,340 strange i try to post something odd 845 00:42:11,650 --> 00:42:07,310 there every day and tim and i are 846 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:11,660 finishing up on a book on Nazi UFOs as 847 00:42:21,050 --> 00:42:13,970 time travel machines and another book by 848 00:42:27,390 --> 00:42:24,000 you've been listening to exploring the 849 00:42:31,140 --> 00:42:27,400 bazaars with hosts Timothy Beck knee and 850 00:42:34,050 --> 00:42:31,150 Terry Swartz taking back the night by 851 00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:34,060 jetting non-stop across the cosmos in 852 00:42:40,220 --> 00:42:36,640 search of the truly bizarre and totally 853 00:42:43,340 --> 00:42:40,230 unexplained with you as their compounds 854 00:42:47,820 --> 00:42:43,350 thursday nights at seven p.m. pacific 855 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:47,830 10pm mr. on the k co are digital radio 856 00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:50,890 name for more information on exploring 857 00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:54,160 the bizarre and hosts timothy beckley 858 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